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		<title>Comment on why are minarets a primary cause of insomnia? by Benjamin Geer</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/why-are-minarets-a-primary-cause-of-insomnia/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Geer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was clumsily trying to propose a continuum of cultural producers, between right wing ideologues or speech writers and the people who are usually called intellectuals in everyday discourse, and to suggest that it would be good to consider their background and social interests in order to understand why they have chosen to focus on Islam.  I agree that intellectuals can&#039;t get huge numbers of people to believe in an idea if it doesn&#039;t somehow fit conceptual schemas and dispositions (or &#039;habitus&#039;) that are already widespread.  But I think there&#039;s still plenty of leeway.  It isn&#039;t inevitable that any given idea will become popular.  The same habitus can potenially be enlisted to support a range of beliefs, even contradictory ones.  This is apparent in the fact that people sometimes change their political allegiances over time, or support different competing political stances in different contexts.  I&#039;m suggesting that there&#039;s a dynamic interaction between the supply of ideas (the products of ideologues, speechwriters, newspaper editors and intellectuals) and the demand for ideas (which consists of various sorts of habitus, and vague feelings of dissatisfaction, that are widely diffused in a given population, and that can be enlisted to support a variety of political stances).  Since the supply isn&#039;t fully determined by the demand, I think it&#039;s worth looking at how different sorts of cultural producers craft a supply of ideas that tends to make them seem credible by legitimising whatever kinds of capital they happen to possess.  Hence the French philosophers, who have a lot of secular cultural capital (knowledge of philosophy, literature, etc.), try to define &#039;French national culture&#039; in a way that gives that kind of cultural capital the highest possible value.  I think it would be worth trying to find out whether the right-wing ideologues in Scandindavian and Dutch populist parties and popular media aren&#039;t doing something analogous, even though the capital they possess and seek to legitimise might be very different.

You might also like &lt;a href=&quot;http://cdy.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/3/283&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; by Leora Auslander, &#039;Bavarian Crucifixes and French Headscarves: Religious Signs and the Postmodern European State&#039;, which I found very perceptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was clumsily trying to propose a continuum of cultural producers, between right wing ideologues or speech writers and the people who are usually called intellectuals in everyday discourse, and to suggest that it would be good to consider their background and social interests in order to understand why they have chosen to focus on Islam.  I agree that intellectuals can&#8217;t get huge numbers of people to believe in an idea if it doesn&#8217;t somehow fit conceptual schemas and dispositions (or &#8216;habitus&#8217;) that are already widespread.  But I think there&#8217;s still plenty of leeway.  It isn&#8217;t inevitable that any given idea will become popular.  The same habitus can potenially be enlisted to support a range of beliefs, even contradictory ones.  This is apparent in the fact that people sometimes change their political allegiances over time, or support different competing political stances in different contexts.  I&#8217;m suggesting that there&#8217;s a dynamic interaction between the supply of ideas (the products of ideologues, speechwriters, newspaper editors and intellectuals) and the demand for ideas (which consists of various sorts of habitus, and vague feelings of dissatisfaction, that are widely diffused in a given population, and that can be enlisted to support a variety of political stances).  Since the supply isn&#8217;t fully determined by the demand, I think it&#8217;s worth looking at how different sorts of cultural producers craft a supply of ideas that tends to make them seem credible by legitimising whatever kinds of capital they happen to possess.  Hence the French philosophers, who have a lot of secular cultural capital (knowledge of philosophy, literature, etc.), try to define &#8216;French national culture&#8217; in a way that gives that kind of cultural capital the highest possible value.  I think it would be worth trying to find out whether the right-wing ideologues in Scandindavian and Dutch populist parties and popular media aren&#8217;t doing something analogous, even though the capital they possess and seek to legitimise might be very different.</p>
<p>You might also like <a href="http://cdy.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/3/283" rel="nofollow">this article</a> by Leora Auslander, &#8216;Bavarian Crucifixes and French Headscarves: Religious Signs and the Postmodern European State&#8217;, which I found very perceptive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are minarets a primary cause of insomnia? by Ms. Tee</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/why-are-minarets-a-primary-cause-of-insomnia/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading back, I realize that &quot;disenchanted&quot; rather than &quot;disgruntled&quot; describes better what I had in mind in my last comment. So, regarding the issues you raise in your first paragraph, we are in agreement. As for the conceptual leap involved, scapegoating an internal &quot;outsider&quot; is not an uncommon reaction to structural crises.

What we disagree on, it seems, is the role that intellectuals play in directing these emotions towards Islam. I am generally weary of ascribing complex phenomena to intellectual guidance alone. If you are including right wing ideologues or speech writers under the rubric of intellectuals, it is difficult to argue that they have not been instrumental. But even then, I think, the idea has to have some appeal to begin with. Anti-Islamism has come after some experimentation in the 1990s. Neo-Nazism had limited appeal because of its history. Racism was too blunt for a liberal society. Anti-immigration was too loose. But anti-Islam struck a chord. It is concrete enough, attracts clumsy attention to itself, and it focuses emotions on questions of value, which is perfectly compatible with liberalism. Parties like the BNP in the UK and the far right in Norway still slip easily from anti-Islamism to anti-immigration and back, but anti-Islamism connects with issues beyond the limited rants of such parties and meshes well with Europe&#039;s wars abroad. 

You make a convincing case with regards to France and, given France&#039;s typical emphasis on official culture and prominence of public intellectuals, it makes sense. But Salvatore&#039;s article is a case in point of the limitations of abstracting from the French model (her laicité model, thus the dynamics between state authorities and religious groups, is by no means standard in Europe). Where the role of the state and intellectuals in this debate is stunted, the terrain is much more difficult to read. As you might expect, things are rather different in Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands (to point out places where I have lived for substantial periods of time). It wasn&#039;t high-profiled intellectuals, but rather populist parties and popular media (the latter sometimes unwittingly, in their search for topics that sell) that cushioned this &quot;conceptual leap,&quot; as you call it.

I will have to read Laborde&#039;s article more carefully. It critiques very well the nature of the political and cultural crisis that makes Islam the focus. Many thanks for that and the link to the minaret book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading back, I realize that &#8220;disenchanted&#8221; rather than &#8220;disgruntled&#8221; describes better what I had in mind in my last comment. So, regarding the issues you raise in your first paragraph, we are in agreement. As for the conceptual leap involved, scapegoating an internal &#8220;outsider&#8221; is not an uncommon reaction to structural crises.</p>
<p>What we disagree on, it seems, is the role that intellectuals play in directing these emotions towards Islam. I am generally weary of ascribing complex phenomena to intellectual guidance alone. If you are including right wing ideologues or speech writers under the rubric of intellectuals, it is difficult to argue that they have not been instrumental. But even then, I think, the idea has to have some appeal to begin with. Anti-Islamism has come after some experimentation in the 1990s. Neo-Nazism had limited appeal because of its history. Racism was too blunt for a liberal society. Anti-immigration was too loose. But anti-Islam struck a chord. It is concrete enough, attracts clumsy attention to itself, and it focuses emotions on questions of value, which is perfectly compatible with liberalism. Parties like the BNP in the UK and the far right in Norway still slip easily from anti-Islamism to anti-immigration and back, but anti-Islamism connects with issues beyond the limited rants of such parties and meshes well with Europe&#8217;s wars abroad. </p>
<p>You make a convincing case with regards to France and, given France&#8217;s typical emphasis on official culture and prominence of public intellectuals, it makes sense. But Salvatore&#8217;s article is a case in point of the limitations of abstracting from the French model (her laicité model, thus the dynamics between state authorities and religious groups, is by no means standard in Europe). Where the role of the state and intellectuals in this debate is stunted, the terrain is much more difficult to read. As you might expect, things are rather different in Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands (to point out places where I have lived for substantial periods of time). It wasn&#8217;t high-profiled intellectuals, but rather populist parties and popular media (the latter sometimes unwittingly, in their search for topics that sell) that cushioned this &#8220;conceptual leap,&#8221; as you call it.</p>
<p>I will have to read Laborde&#8217;s article more carefully. It critiques very well the nature of the political and cultural crisis that makes Islam the focus. Many thanks for that and the link to the minaret book.</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are minarets a primary cause of insomnia? by Benjamin Geer</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/why-are-minarets-a-primary-cause-of-insomnia/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Geer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, but... I have a feeling that people don&#039;t just wake up one morning and feel disgruntled with immigration policies and the EU.  My impression from living in the UK for several years is that few people there have much awareness of government policy in any area, and very few know anything about the EU.  They might wake up one morning and feel disgruntled with their low salary, or the fact that they&#039;ve lost their job, etc.  But there&#039;s a conceptual leap involved in blaming those sorts of problems on something as abstract as immigration policy or the EU.  This subjective impression of mine is consistent with what Pierre Bourdieu found in France in &lt;em&gt;Distinction&lt;/em&gt;: the dominated classes tend to see the world of politics as something alien to their experience.

And there&#039;s another conceptual leap involved in seeing Islam as some kind of problem.  Since there are only four minarets in Switzerland, and only about 4% of the population is Muslim, maybe most Swiss people actually have very little contact with Muslims or Islam.  So why would it suddenly occur to anyone to see Islam as a threat?

I suspect that someone must be convincing people to make that conceptual leap, and that it&#039;s probably someone who writes newspaper articles or makes speeches, i.e. some kind of cultural producer.  You mentioned right-wing parties.  Political parties have their own cultural producers (or if you like, ideologues).  So maybe we should ask: who are those people, what is their background, and why would it be in their own interest to portray Islam as a threat?

I was thinking of intellectuals because I did a bit of research a while ago on Tariq Ramadan, and noticed that three of Ramadan&#039;s main adversaries in France (Alain Finkielkraut, André Glucksmann and Bernard-Henri Lévy) are philosophers who are have long been prominent in the French media.  Finkielkraut and Glucksmann &lt;a href=&quot;http://tcs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/24/2/135&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;played a major role&lt;/a&gt; in the campaign to ban the Islamic headscarf in French state schools.  Moreover, all five signatories of a much-discussed &lt;a href=&quot;http://ww1.laicite-laligue.org/index.php?option=com_docman&amp;task=doc_download&amp;gid=365&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1989 anti-headscarf manifesto&lt;/a&gt; were philosophers.  I guessed that for these intellectuals, whose stock-in-trade is secular, someone like Ramadan might be a worrisome rival in debates about Islam in France, because he obviously knows much more about Islam than they do.  The more credibility and influence he gains, the more they risk being marginalised in such debates.

I suspect that this whole issue might be fundamentally about the question of who gets to define national culture.  When a philosopher like Pierre-André Taguieff &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jstor.org/pss/3072536&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;calls for&lt;/a&gt; ‘the defence of the cultural identity of France’, I think he&#039;s actually defending his own authority to define that ‘cultural identity’.  If knowledge of Islam came to be considered a requirement for understanding French society, that authority would be threatened.

I went to a seminar recently in Cairo for the launch of a book on the Swiss minarets issue, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infolio.ch/detailcatalogue3.php?LivreID=409&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Les minarets de la discorde&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, edited by Patrick Haenni and Stéphane Lathion.  There&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.islamonline.net/arabic/publication/E-Books/politics/01.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arabic translation&lt;/a&gt; available as a free download.

Thanks for reading my blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, but&#8230; I have a feeling that people don&#8217;t just wake up one morning and feel disgruntled with immigration policies and the EU.  My impression from living in the UK for several years is that few people there have much awareness of government policy in any area, and very few know anything about the EU.  They might wake up one morning and feel disgruntled with their low salary, or the fact that they&#8217;ve lost their job, etc.  But there&#8217;s a conceptual leap involved in blaming those sorts of problems on something as abstract as immigration policy or the EU.  This subjective impression of mine is consistent with what Pierre Bourdieu found in France in <em>Distinction</em>: the dominated classes tend to see the world of politics as something alien to their experience.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s another conceptual leap involved in seeing Islam as some kind of problem.  Since there are only four minarets in Switzerland, and only about 4% of the population is Muslim, maybe most Swiss people actually have very little contact with Muslims or Islam.  So why would it suddenly occur to anyone to see Islam as a threat?</p>
<p>I suspect that someone must be convincing people to make that conceptual leap, and that it&#8217;s probably someone who writes newspaper articles or makes speeches, i.e. some kind of cultural producer.  You mentioned right-wing parties.  Political parties have their own cultural producers (or if you like, ideologues).  So maybe we should ask: who are those people, what is their background, and why would it be in their own interest to portray Islam as a threat?</p>
<p>I was thinking of intellectuals because I did a bit of research a while ago on Tariq Ramadan, and noticed that three of Ramadan&#8217;s main adversaries in France (Alain Finkielkraut, André Glucksmann and Bernard-Henri Lévy) are philosophers who are have long been prominent in the French media.  Finkielkraut and Glucksmann <a href="http://tcs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/24/2/135" rel="nofollow">played a major role</a> in the campaign to ban the Islamic headscarf in French state schools.  Moreover, all five signatories of a much-discussed <a href="http://ww1.laicite-laligue.org/index.php?option=com_docman&amp;task=doc_download&amp;gid=365" rel="nofollow">1989 anti-headscarf manifesto</a> were philosophers.  I guessed that for these intellectuals, whose stock-in-trade is secular, someone like Ramadan might be a worrisome rival in debates about Islam in France, because he obviously knows much more about Islam than they do.  The more credibility and influence he gains, the more they risk being marginalised in such debates.</p>
<p>I suspect that this whole issue might be fundamentally about the question of who gets to define national culture.  When a philosopher like Pierre-André Taguieff <a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/3072536" rel="nofollow">calls for</a> ‘the defence of the cultural identity of France’, I think he&#8217;s actually defending his own authority to define that ‘cultural identity’.  If knowledge of Islam came to be considered a requirement for understanding French society, that authority would be threatened.</p>
<p>I went to a seminar recently in Cairo for the launch of a book on the Swiss minarets issue, <em><a href="http://www.infolio.ch/detailcatalogue3.php?LivreID=409" rel="nofollow">Les minarets de la discorde</a></em>, edited by Patrick Haenni and Stéphane Lathion.  There&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.islamonline.net/arabic/publication/E-Books/politics/01.shtml" rel="nofollow">Arabic translation</a> available as a free download.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading my blog!</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are minarets a primary cause of insomnia? by Ms. Tee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, spoken like a true historian!

Interesting that you should bring up these issues, Ben. Much of the Christian clergy, at least on the official level, has been largely against the minaret ban. In a country like Norway, a new generation of Christian Democrats are openly considering opening up to Muslim membership in order to replenish the depleting party base. But, on the other hand, I have not observed any particularly intellectual edge to the attack on Islam (not that they do not exist, of course).

It is difficult to generalize, given the variations between countries. But what seems to be a common thread in many cases is that right wing parties have been feeding on a middle/lower middle class disgruntlement with the political class, including immigration policies and the EU.

Love the blog, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, spoken like a true historian!</p>
<p>Interesting that you should bring up these issues, Ben. Much of the Christian clergy, at least on the official level, has been largely against the minaret ban. In a country like Norway, a new generation of Christian Democrats are openly considering opening up to Muslim membership in order to replenish the depleting party base. But, on the other hand, I have not observed any particularly intellectual edge to the attack on Islam (not that they do not exist, of course).</p>
<p>It is difficult to generalize, given the variations between countries. But what seems to be a common thread in many cases is that right wing parties have been feeding on a middle/lower middle class disgruntlement with the political class, including immigration policies and the EU.</p>
<p>Love the blog, btw.</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are minarets a primary cause of insomnia? by Benjamin Geer</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/why-are-minarets-a-primary-cause-of-insomnia/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Geer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s try to think about it this way: whose interests might be threatened if Islam became a very successful religion in Europe?  Maybe those are the people who are leading the attack on Islam in Europe.

Hmm.  The Christian clergy?  Christian churches have been losing followers and influence in most of Europe for some time, and are perhaps competing among themselves for fewer and fewer believers.  Could it be that they see Islam as an especially threatening form of competition?

Intellectuals whose stock-in-trade is secular (scientists, philosophers, liberal intellectuals, etc.) have been fighting the power and influence of the Christian clergy -- their rivals -- in Europe for centuries.  They finally won, more or less, by confining the clergy&#039;s influence to narrow spheres of social practice, and by winning a consensus that religious truth can&#039;t compete with scientific truth.  Are they attacking Islam because they&#039;re afraid they&#039;ll have to go through the power struggles of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment all over again, this time with the Muslim clergy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s try to think about it this way: whose interests might be threatened if Islam became a very successful religion in Europe?  Maybe those are the people who are leading the attack on Islam in Europe.</p>
<p>Hmm.  The Christian clergy?  Christian churches have been losing followers and influence in most of Europe for some time, and are perhaps competing among themselves for fewer and fewer believers.  Could it be that they see Islam as an especially threatening form of competition?</p>
<p>Intellectuals whose stock-in-trade is secular (scientists, philosophers, liberal intellectuals, etc.) have been fighting the power and influence of the Christian clergy &#8212; their rivals &#8212; in Europe for centuries.  They finally won, more or less, by confining the clergy&#8217;s influence to narrow spheres of social practice, and by winning a consensus that religious truth can&#8217;t compete with scientific truth.  Are they attacking Islam because they&#8217;re afraid they&#8217;ll have to go through the power struggles of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment all over again, this time with the Muslim clergy?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Nzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... I&#039;ve been a customer of such brothels... and I&#039;m not ashamed to say so... One must manage without a girlfriend. And I often ask the girl if she was forced to do this job or not... Most answer they were told that they were first proposed to come and work as dancers and were shocked when they were forced into prostitution... Others admit that they knew and came by choice. I really don&#039;t know what to believe.... I guess both stories may be true.

One thing I hope, is that they are treated with a minimum of respect and dignity and not &quot;broke&quot; by repeated rape and abuse to &quot;condition&quot; them to take on this job... as other mafias in the world do. I really do hope that the lebanese mafias and authority are better then this... But I really doubt so. If you have more information on this, please share...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I&#8217;ve been a customer of such brothels&#8230; and I&#8217;m not ashamed to say so&#8230; One must manage without a girlfriend. And I often ask the girl if she was forced to do this job or not&#8230; Most answer they were told that they were first proposed to come and work as dancers and were shocked when they were forced into prostitution&#8230; Others admit that they knew and came by choice. I really don&#8217;t know what to believe&#8230;. I guess both stories may be true.</p>
<p>One thing I hope, is that they are treated with a minimum of respect and dignity and not &#8220;broke&#8221; by repeated rape and abuse to &#8220;condition&#8221; them to take on this job&#8230; as other mafias in the world do. I really do hope that the lebanese mafias and authority are better then this&#8230; But I really doubt so. If you have more information on this, please share&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Charbel Nahas: The FPM&#8217;s Secret Weapon? &#171; Qifa Nabki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tee, over at B-side Beirut has this to say: The Free Patriotic Movement has chosen no other than economist, activist, and intellectual Sharbil [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tee, over at B-side Beirut has this to say: The Free Patriotic Movement has chosen no other than economist, activist, and intellectual Sharbil [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on wall? what wall? by Ms. Tee</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/wall-what-wall/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up to my ears in job applications.</description>
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		<title>Comment on wall? what wall? by sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waynik?</description>
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		<title>Comment on local history and epidemics in Beirut by Ms. Tee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, John, and welcome.

Interesting that &quot;the goat&#039;s nose&quot; story was still going around that late. I hadn&#039;t heard it from any of the elders in the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, John, and welcome.</p>
<p>Interesting that &#8220;the goat&#8217;s nose&#8221; story was still going around that late. I hadn&#8217;t heard it from any of the elders in the family.</p>
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		<title>Comment on local history and epidemics in Beirut by John Ragland</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ragland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See http://www.missionmeeting.org/spandau/ for last summer&#039;s attempt at guerilla art...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.missionmeeting.org/spandau/" rel="nofollow">http://www.missionmeeting.org/spandau/</a> for last summer&#8217;s attempt at guerilla art&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on local history and epidemics in Beirut by John Ragland</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ragland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. &quot;I found the local name given to the flu when it first struck in 1889 rather funny: the goat’s nose. anf ‘l-3anza. Inf ‘l-uenza.&quot;

I first heard this theory on the origins of the word &quot;influenza&quot; from the Armenian doctor who brought me into the world in the mid-50s (in Beirut, of course): Peter Manoogian (bless his memory).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. &#8220;I found the local name given to the flu when it first struck in 1889 rather funny: the goat’s nose. anf ‘l-3anza. Inf ‘l-uenza.&#8221;</p>
<p>I first heard this theory on the origins of the word &#8220;influenza&#8221; from the Armenian doctor who brought me into the world in the mid-50s (in Beirut, of course): Peter Manoogian (bless his memory).</p>
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		<title>Comment on local history and epidemics in Beirut by Old Coinages and New &#171; THE BOURSA EXCHANGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Coinages and New &#171; THE BOURSA EXCHANGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post gained new impetus after TBE came across a blog post at B-Side Beirut about an old Beiruti slang term/portmanteau (not technically the latter, but we’re not sure what [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post gained new impetus after TBE came across a blog post at B-Side Beirut about an old Beiruti slang term/portmanteau (not technically the latter, but we’re not sure what [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on the art of censorship and the work of memory by one eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>one eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what if the General security censors and bans a little?
after all, the beacon of human rights and freedom of speech baned Chomsky&#039;s books at Guantanamo:

http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm

and as we say in Lebanon, ma hada ahsan men hada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what if the General security censors and bans a little?<br />
after all, the beacon of human rights and freedom of speech baned Chomsky&#8217;s books at Guantanamo:</p>
<p><a href="http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm" rel="nofollow">http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm</a></p>
<p>and as we say in Lebanon, ma hada ahsan men hada.</p>
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		<title>Comment on for the love of France by Ms. Tee</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/for-the-love-of-france/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! I&#039;ll let him know next time I bump into him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! I&#8217;ll let him know next time I bump into him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on for the love of France by Min Beirut bil 3arabeh</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/for-the-love-of-france/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Min Beirut bil 3arabeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, your Mama&#039;s milk was tainted ... hope you are feeling better now .... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, your Mama&#8217;s milk was tainted &#8230; hope you are feeling better now &#8230;. :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on the art of censorship and the work of memory by sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose he is going after bigger fish, but that&#039;s not how I read it. And even now, I think it&#039;s far from clear from the wording. Presumably, though, these bigger fish are expressing their outrage (or not, as the case may be) in a media outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose he is going after bigger fish, but that&#8217;s not how I read it. And even now, I think it&#8217;s far from clear from the wording. Presumably, though, these bigger fish are expressing their outrage (or not, as the case may be) in a media outlet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the art of censorship and the work of memory by Ms. Tee</title>
		<link>http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/the-art-of-censorship-and-the-work-of-memory/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note: I don&#039;t have access to L&#039;Orient-Le Jour here. Should you (or anyone) run into something, I would be interested to know if they made/will make the same fuss they made about Persepolis and Gad el-Maleh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note: I don&#8217;t have access to L&#8217;Orient-Le Jour here. Should you (or anyone) run into something, I would be interested to know if they made/will make the same fuss they made about Persepolis and Gad el-Maleh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the art of censorship and the work of memory by Ms. Tee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, to translate what Pierre says: &quot;Why have we not heard the &#039;liberal&#039; voices that (rightfully) made such a racket when censorship almost banned Marjane Satrapi&#039;s Persepolis? Even the battles of freedom of expression are subject to fanaticism and suspect deals in the land of freedoms and the Cedar Revolution.&quot;

As I understand it, he is going after bigger fish. You have to keep in mind that M14 political parties issued objections to banning Persepolis and the issue was discussed at the ministerial level (and the threat of ban thereafter rescinded). Pierre&#039;s remark on hypocrisy is also part of a longer debate that has been going on in the press for a couple of years now and involving intellectual heavyweights such as Hazim Saghiyah, Samah Idriss, Abbas Baydoun, and Paul Shawul -- and even a court case against al-Adab publishing house. And while credit is due to Now Lebanon, I am sorry to say that it remains peripheral to this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, to translate what Pierre says: &#8220;Why have we not heard the &#8216;liberal&#8217; voices that (rightfully) made such a racket when censorship almost banned Marjane Satrapi&#8217;s Persepolis? Even the battles of freedom of expression are subject to fanaticism and suspect deals in the land of freedoms and the Cedar Revolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I understand it, he is going after bigger fish. You have to keep in mind that M14 political parties issued objections to banning Persepolis and the issue was discussed at the ministerial level (and the threat of ban thereafter rescinded). Pierre&#8217;s remark on hypocrisy is also part of a longer debate that has been going on in the press for a couple of years now and involving intellectual heavyweights such as Hazim Saghiyah, Samah Idriss, Abbas Baydoun, and Paul Shawul &#8212; and even a court case against al-Adab publishing house. And while credit is due to Now Lebanon, I am sorry to say that it remains peripheral to this debate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the art of censorship and the work of memory by sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abi Saad and al-Akhbar both deserve credit for speaking up about censorship, but I have to disagree with the hypocrisy charge. 

I&#039;ve been working on censorship in Lebanon for a while now. Presumably, the &quot;liberals&quot; he&#039;s talking about are March 14, and I know that the one media outlet that&#039;s been concerned as much as (or possibly more than) al-Akhbar with censorship is Now Lebanon, which has covered many censored items, from &lt;a href=&quot;http://nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=82113&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Help&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=36827&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Persepolis&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=11199&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Nancy Wished that Everything was an April Fool&#039;s Joke&lt;/a&gt; to Gad el-Meleh.

I dislike their editorial line as much as you do, but when it comes to the question of censorship, I&#039;ve got to give credit where credit is due.

And for the record, while I can&#039;t say if the actual paper had anything to say about it (their archives aren&#039;t available online), I do know that L&#039;Orient-Le Jour&#039;s blog did have a short segment on &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorientlejour.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/pas-de-help-pour-les-libanais/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Help being banned&lt;/a&gt;. 

One place where I have not only not seen anything against censorship, but in the case of Gad el-Meleh, quite the opposite, has been al-Manar. I can&#039;t say one way for the other about other TV channels though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi Saad and al-Akhbar both deserve credit for speaking up about censorship, but I have to disagree with the hypocrisy charge. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on censorship in Lebanon for a while now. Presumably, the &#8220;liberals&#8221; he&#8217;s talking about are March 14, and I know that the one media outlet that&#8217;s been concerned as much as (or possibly more than) al-Akhbar with censorship is Now Lebanon, which has covered many censored items, from <a href="http://nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=82113" rel="nofollow">Help</a> to <a href="http://nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=36827" rel="nofollow">Persepolis</a> to <a href="http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=11199" rel="nofollow">How Nancy Wished that Everything was an April Fool&#8217;s Joke</a> to Gad el-Meleh.</p>
<p>I dislike their editorial line as much as you do, but when it comes to the question of censorship, I&#8217;ve got to give credit where credit is due.</p>
<p>And for the record, while I can&#8217;t say if the actual paper had anything to say about it (their archives aren&#8217;t available online), I do know that L&#8217;Orient-Le Jour&#8217;s blog did have a short segment on <a href="http://lorientlejour.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/pas-de-help-pour-les-libanais/" rel="nofollow">Help being banned</a>. </p>
<p>One place where I have not only not seen anything against censorship, but in the case of Gad el-Meleh, quite the opposite, has been al-Manar. I can&#8217;t say one way for the other about other TV channels though.</p>
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